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Dread V3: New Captcha, Market Standards, Search, and More

Dread is back online. The update, Dread V3, includes some of the most significant changes in Dread’s history. The most obvious and perhaps most welcome changes include new captchas. The developers of Dread–HugBunter, Paris, and whoever else–reworked the site’s search function to include a full-text index of Dread’s 2+ million posts, suggestions, fuzziness adjustments, and various search operations. Dread V3 provides several avenues through which Dread can generate income, including a premium membership and a shop with trophies.

Upvoting or downvoting a post or comment no longer refreshes the page. The use of a form within an iframe is not something I have seen on any other site.

A picture of No page refresh!

No page refresh!

Paris covered many changes in the “Welcome to Dread V3” post. One significant change I did not see Paris mention was the new “Market Standards” chart.

(dreadytofatroptsdj6io7l3xptbet6onoyno2yv7jicoxknyazubrad.onion/page/marketstandards/)

RejectionNegativePositiveSuper Positive
Script Markets - No or minimal skinNo/little organic growth @ 3 MonthsAccepts MoneroHarm Reduction Efforts
Bitcoin Only (no multisig)No Monero SupportBitcoin MultisigLightweight, Custom Stylesheet (<200KB) with inlined images
No growth @ 6 MonthsDirect Manipulation (On Dread or Otherwise)Big, well known Vendors (list a few)I2P endpoint
Mostly Unknown VendorsInnovative Features (aka a compelling offering)
Incorrect Stats (Vendors, Users, Listings)Great Design with Custom Captcha
No re-encoding images, keeps metadataDDOS Filter or WAF
No vendor pgp key verificationDread Presence (user not subdread)
Shared Innovations

Paris, taken without permission from the post on Dread here: dreadytofatroptsdj6io7l3xptbet6onoyno2yv7jicoxknyazubrad.onion/post/c9aeb346922c6cc2fcae

Search is back and better than ever

Fully analyzed text search of over the 2 million public posts and comments on Dread.

With this search layer there is quite a few features that you will be familiar with already if you have used any advanced search engine. All results are indexed in lowercase which means it doesn’t matter if you type in “MDMA” or “mdma” they will show the same results. If you want a specific phrase in the result you put them in quotes (“texting example”). If you want multiple specific words to be included but not in a certain order you can do something like (“texting” “example”). If you want the root of the word to be search and synonyms to be searched with them you simply search without quotes and separate word with spaces (testing will also turn up results with just test).

A picture of the new search feature on Dread.

The search function is quick. I am not sure about that suggestion though.

There are self adjusting suggestions. If you accidentally type in “mdna” you will see a single suggestion which is based on the frequency of a word within the index. It will identify the closest match for simple typos but it will not correct multiple word phases or provide synonym suggestions like other search engines. We assume that you know what you are looking for. There is far too much content of various and differentiating variety where active search suggestions will result be meaningful. We have sided on the side of relevancy and recall with advanced search option to filter down to dial in the accuracy of the results you want to see.

There are multiple filtering options to be familiar with. Author and subdread are self explanatory. If a subdread is invite only you can still search it but you must have both access and input the subdread name in the search. Focusing on Title and Body will provide the most balanced approach with good relevance and accuracy. Comments assume the title of the post they were submitted to. Being that the vast majority of text on dread is within the body there is a unequal score where title results will be prioritized in the results. Results which include the term in both the body and title will be of course scored higher.

The default sort by is newest. We did this to prioritize recency in the results. If you prioritize finding the closest match to your search terms select “Best Match.” If you prioritize the positive interactions you should sort by “Score” (this will favor posts). If you prioritize overall recency of activity you should sort by “Latest Activity” (this will favor posts).

Another picture of the new search feature on Dread

Another picture of the new search feature on Dread

There are advanced options where you can fine tune your results in multiple ways. From sorting by date, score, and type. Fuzziness effects accuracy of your results. By setting it to none you will have less results returned but ideally more relevant results. If you are searching for multiple words and they ALL need to be contained within the result turn fuzziness to none. Otherwise try to keep it on auto being that it will have more accuracy.

There are also multiple operations you can do within the search by default. If you want two words to be included but to focus on the root of the words with synonyms you can use the + operation (testing + example). If you want either or word to be returned you can use the | operation (testing | example). This operation is the default and won’t turn better results unless fuzziness is none or you are using… precedence. If you want a combination of words in a specific way you use precedence “(” and “)” for example [testing (foo | bar)]. If you don’t want a term to be include in the result you can use the - operation (testing -foo bar). By using a combination these operations to make very detailed and relevant results over the whole dread index.

The most general stop words for English, Dutch, Finnish, French, German, Spanish, Russian, and Arabic have been removed. If you need a result to include these frequent words please put them in quotes for your search. There is an active synonym graph on all search results which will improve recall by allowing multiple different slags to be attached to a single category (mdma will also return results equally with xtc, ecstasy, molly, and others). If you don’t want that you can put the word in quotes.

A max result of 10,000 will be returned. If you can’t find what you are looking for within 10 THOUSAND results find better words to use. There are also rate limits and anti-bot systems in place.

This search engine is one of my proud achievements and took many months to fine tune to be both performant and relevant. I know you all missed it so much. It’s back and better than ever.

Anti-Bot, Anti-Spam, Anti-Captcha. New protections.

It is a never ending battle to control bots on Dread. As I hope we made well clear we would rather die than pay any asshole to stop spamming. There is only so much a bot master can do being that we control the whole site. There is many different things we do to prevent bots. We took that up to 11 this time. It personally doesn’t make sense to me why they would waste their time with us but that’s that.

A picture of the new captcha on Dread.

The trick is avoid over-rotation.

Within your account area there is a referral link system now. When registration is locked down you can refer others to dread. Dread, and dread’s search, will always be free to browse if you don’t want to register an account. We will not stop the information flow to those who don’t want to take the time to solve the captcha.

Dread’s new captcha is finally here. We tried multiple revisions of the regular captcha but they are all broken by machine learning. A machine is better at classifying these objects than regular humans. The new one uses a combination of human intention, fancy css, and basically unlimited unsorted images. The goal, make the photos straight like it was you on the ground taking a photo. You do this by pressing the rotate button to a point which changes the orientation of the image. DO NOT OVERSHOOT IT, reset and try again if you do so. Rotate just enough to stabilize the orientation. There are some images which are impossible to know the orientation of. Answer them anyway and as more people fail them these images the system will be clean them up. As new images are added every day there will always be some of these images. It’s a trade off to prevent bots from taking control. When this one does get broken we have another one lined up and one after that one as well.

Like before as your account gets more activity and you have viewed more things (in an order which a human would do) captchas should disappear for your user account within 2 weeks of use. The more captchas you solve correctly (and incorrectly) after a certain point will give the system enough confidence to just not show your captchas anymore. If you feel like that is far too long there is an option for you. But it is paid.

Is that a shop?

Yes. Dread has awards now! You can purchase awards to support dread and show appreciation to others for their contributions to this community. We will be adding more awards in the future where purchases will directly support certain causes.

Deposits to dread are not refundable and we warranty nothing, so only participate it if you want to support us. All deposits must be made in XMR and credit will only happen if the value of the deposit is at least $0.01 USD. If you spam small deposits the system will detect it and we will reject further deposits. Deposit only when the address you have has a verified message which is signed by an admin key. Right now it should be me. Grab my PGP key at /u/paris and verify each time before you deposit. These addresses have a block height associated with the assigning. The addresses can change occasionally but generally you will be stuck with that address until such a time where I need to take down the payment layer for upgrade. A reminder that dread’s onion is a single onion. We have no mirrors. You can verify you are on the right address by verifying my Canary which includes the official dread URL. If you have problems with deposit you can contact us but you must provide the signed verification message with the xmr address.

A picture of A new donation interface.

A new donation interface.

There is now a donation leaderboard for the bigballers in this community. You finally get something back. Free publicity. Donations don’t give you any favor from Dread staff but it does keep this site running, more projects funded, and more flexibility in hiring moderators.

There is now a $50 Premium Membership. You are right we just incentivized paying us $50 so you don’t need to do any dread captchas after sign in. We view this as a win win. If we need to boost the difficulty of the captcha we can do so because it will incentivize premium membership purchases. It’s a win win. Mostly for us.

A picture of Top donors get some publicity on top of the publicity generated by their Dread posts.

Top donors get some publicity on top of the publicity generated by their Dread posts.

With this membership you get a few things right now. Like access to the /d/lounge, which will have juicy technical documentation, feature tests, guides on how NOT to get fucked over, and others. Right now there is not much value in it other than not doing the captcha, but that will change over time. We will add more things to the membership as time goes on.

The longer you have the membership the higher your membership tier will be. What will these tiers do? Maybe give you a trophy or something. In large part the membership is just to support dread while getting something back. Don’t think it’s anything more than. Membership renews every month.

Talking about money, Ads

We have consistently over the past year needed to keep a running list of people who wanted ads because we simply didn’t have the spots available. All ad invoicing had to be done by hand and it always delayed things. Not anymore. All advertisement purchases are partly automated after user approval. We have a queue for the banner advertising which prioritizes renewals and now promoted posts have a functional advertisement area. In the future targeting advertising will make it easier to prioritize certain banners and promoted posts to those who have shown interests in similar products (like an LSD vendor banner being prioritized to be shown in /d/LSD for example). This area is still a bit buggy but it will get sorted out in the coming days.

A huge thank you to all those who have advertised on Dread. We hope to provide a site which is of the highest quality so that nobody needs to look elsewhere for the best information. We are the largest English speaking darknet forum. With the most activity and searchable history. We are resilient against DDOS attacks and always try to take things always to the next level. Our interface, network, and features; sets us a cut above all else. Okay enough marketing talk for now.

Much much more

This post only scratched the surface on all the extra features this update has. Go and explore it! There might be a few bugs hanging out. If you find some report it back to dread staff and get some $.

A picture of Interests and suggested subdreads are also a new feature.

Interests and suggested subdreads are also a new feature.

A new i2p endpoint is online and flood-filling but it hasn’t been as stable as I need it to be. I’ll be holding off posting the address till such time (probably within a couple days) I can get it more stable for an average user to visit. If you want to both prepare and help this process along install i2pd and run it. This network needs to 2X it’s size with a shit ton more nodes which have ipv6. I’m doing what I can to get it up but the reach-ability of the address is poor and connections are unstable. It is better than when I have tried before but more work needs to be done on this. It is far more resistant against DDOS attacks though and with enough noise Sybil attacks become basically impossible to conduct on anything other than an extremely targeted attack.

I hope you all enjoy this update.

29 Comments
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49df76e0 Tue, Mar 8, 2022

The search function is quick. I am not sure about that suggestion though.

YEOOOOOOOOOOW that finna hurt my fee fees i tellin momma bout dis

ayo did u just diss me wtf dnl i thought we was cool

I GON REMEMBER THIS U FAKE ASS INDUSTRY NIGGA

RABBI WAS RITE DEM ALIENS DIDNT WANT 2 BE MY FREND THEY JUS FINNA PROBE ME

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fcd00a40 Tue, Mar 8, 2022

dnl hire him already

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644b6490 Tue, Mar 8, 2022

Does anyone else find it fucking annoying Dread is trying to police market standards, this type of bs only serves to push one or two markets to the top and they then exit scam.
I don’t care if a market is fugly or beautiful, if my funding is safe and the market works we’re buying drugs ffs. It’s just another means to push their “chosen” markets to the top.

Cryptonia then WHM (same team btw) pushed and promoted by the same fuckers.

How does a market grow if they are held back? Dark.fail rarely adds new markets.

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9142f840 Tue, Mar 8, 2022

if a market promotes innovation it should be promoted. dread is stopping all these eckmar markets from taking off anyway. besides tor.taxi adds markets

feee1994
4ef13110 Tue, Mar 8, 2022

to push one or two markets to the top and they then exit scam.

the exit scam part will always happen once a market gets big if not before that as evidenced by the countless exit scams

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570191d0 Tue, Mar 8, 2022

dread is being paid off by the exit scammers and paris refused to let me advertise on dread. i am a former vendor of empire thats where i made my money and i decided to invest some of that money and open my own market and i burrowed the name empire. paris the owner of dread is the one that was admin on the old empire that robbed customers yet he is trying to police markets and vets who can advertise on dread and who cant ? since i have launched my remake of the empire market i been made fun of and blocked of advertising almost everywhere. i am a honest vendor that just got sick of working on other markets that disappear after a week or a month i am tried of this crap the same team of people keep pulling. i stand for honest fair market place where people dont have to worry when they wake up next morning if the market will still be there or not. stand with me show them all that we will not tolerate being scammed any more. fake empire link

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e73b1480 Tue, Mar 8, 2022

fake empire link

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9a9b12e0 Tue, Mar 8, 2022

GOO GOO GAGA EXCUSE MI @DNL IM GONCERNED ABOUT MY 2$ SCRIPT MARKET LINK NO BEING LISTED DAH DAH DUR DAH DUR LOOK AT ALL THESE POSTS FROM HUNDRED PERCENT REAL USERS WHO AGREE WHY ARE YOU OPPRESSING ME U ARE CLEALRY BIASED BECAUSE I HAVE MORE AIDS THAN YOU

waaaaaaah waaaaaaaaaah paris got bigger pee pee than me i spam dread and he ban me now i have to sell my wife for internet connection pls sned help

DREAD IS DONKEYSQUAD APPROVED

DNL IS DONKEYSQUAD APPROVED

NEED AN ASS SAY MOE?

d14398a7
35e85c30 Tue, Mar 8, 2022

Dreadful wants more power than they are willing to pay for in risk… fuck those captchas are real though!

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c4615510 Wed, Mar 9, 2022

see darknet live is a bitch they also being bribed they keep taking down my link
[removed scam empire link]

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52dda1f0 Wed, Mar 9, 2022

i can sit here all day and keep reposting the empire link… dont fuk with me darknetlive you corrupt fuks that dread pays bribes to keep new markets down and away fuck you cause i got all day i am a online all day. try me lets dance.

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12f51950 Wed, Mar 9, 2022

lay off and get another name for your scam dark market. no one is buying it

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371a8480 Wed, Mar 9, 2022

Now now, that’s not the reasonable dnl I know; radical, extremely knowledgeable, more intelligent than DeepDotWeb? Of course!

Extradition has its limits, hacking table limits are not the high roller table limits and that’s just life…, at least fent kills you quickly…

A moment in silence for those who will be lost in WW3…

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af7421d0 Fri, Mar 11, 2022

dnl you support russia?

fe58e3d4
79a69450 Wed, Mar 9, 2022

Are you implying aerosol fent bombs will be deployed in the wild when WWIII hits off? They have been used for lesser occasions before.
The team behind dread is off the chain regardless if it is monopoly. Law enforcement is def pissed with their contributions to the community, may them be somewhat suspect.

b7ce95fe
7bef0840 Wed, Mar 9, 2022

Vacuum bombs don’t get you high…

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e7a4bb70 Wed, Mar 9, 2022

🇺🇦

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c4d288f0 Thu, Mar 10, 2022

🇷🇺

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3faae630 Thu, Mar 10, 2022

🇷🇺

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1d9848d0 Sat, Mar 12, 2022

russian warship go fuck yourself lol

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fc343140 Sat, Mar 12, 2022

is i2p more secure than tor?

561f3c59
a36138b0 Mon, Mar 14, 2022

The new search will just help the feds put their case together quicker.

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7523aa70 Tue, Mar 15, 2022

PLEEEEASE help with the anti-DDOS captcha is nothing but a blank black circle (looks like an eclipse) and empty boxes asking for letters. WHAT LETTERS?? Ive been trying to log in for days!
Am I missing something?

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113a1350 Tue, Mar 15, 2022

You need a recent version of the Tor Browser, according to Paris.

cb4193ed
a1f1db90 Wed, Mar 16, 2022

OH crap. I can’t get the latest version of Tor!
Great..

6e6841e5
f9b504c0 Wed, Mar 16, 2022

Why can’t you download a new version of tor?

97dea81b
d6f7f710 Wed, Mar 16, 2022

..And thank you for the answer.

cf8ab123
c83d2ff0 Sat, Mar 26, 2022

To answer, for some reason that I cannot understand, I can’t make a newer version of Tor work. I downloaded my current version in early 2019 which worked just fine. I tried to download a newer version last year, using the same 16GB stick, trying 2 NEW never used 16GB usb drives, over and over and over and over.
It seems to download successfully everytime, but all I ever end up with is an error telling me it can’t be read, ON ALL 3 STICKS.
Without knowing why I can’t make it work, I dont have an updated Tor.

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